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LUDWIG KARL HILBERSEIMER PAPERS, c.18851995 (BULK 19381967) 070383 Ryerson & Burnham Archives, The Art Institute of Chicago APPENDIX: Rough translation of: Report of a Meeting with Syberen Nydam, Structural Engineer. February 3, 1939. Mies van der Rohe, John B. Rodgers, Chas. Dornburch, A. L. Mell. In Nydam’s courses for the test of structural topics for the state examination in Illinois  he gives two 4 hours lessons a week and gives at least 8 hours of homework a week for the duration of 14 weeks. Therefore the total figure amounts to 324 hours. Naturally, he assumes that the students have already been instructed in this subject. At the Armour Institute the entire figure amounts to 432 hours within two years for Juniors and Seniors in the subjects of Graphic Statistics, Structural Design and Reinforced Concrete. Freshmen and Sophomores have 216 hours at their disposal for preparing work in applied Mechanics and Mathematics; the number of hours of homework is not contained. Nydam is of the thinking that this requires too little work for the subjects rather than too much. He thinks the work in the first and second semester for mathematics does not encompass enough. He means they should still include some differential calculations because the statistically indefinite forces of continuous rafters [joists, girders, beams] depend on this basis. He thinks that the work in these subjects at the Armour Institute could be rearranged in such a way that more time is devoted to the most substantial work without extending the length of time. He thinks that there, indeed possibly a duplication of the topics in the courses Applied Mechanics and Graphic Studies and also in the work in the strength of material and structural design occurred. He also thinks that there, problems in these courses were given that do not possess the slightest worth for architecture. Such a condition is normally caused by the fact that the professors are specialists in other areas but not in that of architectural engineering, and also through the use of shoddier textbooks. He thinks the students should retain the knowledge that they themselves acquired in these subjects, [and] should refer the topic directly to the work that they execute in their architecture. In order to make this possible it would be appropriate to introduce a preparatory course that includes one part of the work which is now given in the courses Mathematics for Architects, Applied Mechanics and Graphic Statistics. There are enough topics in this preparatory course that enable the students to begin with structural design for simple buildings, on which they then work in the drawing room of the Architecture Department. Such a course should be given by a practicing (structural) engineer. Should the work in structural topics, which the architecture students of the Institute are given, experience a change, so should this happen from above to below [at all levels]. This means that the teacher who gives the courses in steel and reinforced concrete designs the introductory
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Title  Hilberseimer, Ludwig Karl, Papers, c.18851995 (bulk 19381967) 
Abstract  Appendix: Rough translation of "Report of a Meeting with Syberen Nydam, Structural Engineer, February 3, 1939." 
Collection Name  Ryerson and Burnham Archives Finding Aids 
Accession Number  070383 
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Controlled Access Terms  Hilberseimer, Ludwig, 18851967.; Hilberseimer, Ludwig, 18851967Archives.; Mies van der Rohe, Ludwig, 18861969.; Nydam, Syberen. 
File Name  ica070383app.pdf 
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Full text  LUDWIG KARL HILBERSEIMER PAPERS, c.18851995 (BULK 19381967) 070383 Ryerson & Burnham Archives, The Art Institute of Chicago APPENDIX: Rough translation of: Report of a Meeting with Syberen Nydam, Structural Engineer. February 3, 1939. Mies van der Rohe, John B. Rodgers, Chas. Dornburch, A. L. Mell. In Nydam’s courses for the test of structural topics for the state examination in Illinois  he gives two 4 hours lessons a week and gives at least 8 hours of homework a week for the duration of 14 weeks. Therefore the total figure amounts to 324 hours. Naturally, he assumes that the students have already been instructed in this subject. At the Armour Institute the entire figure amounts to 432 hours within two years for Juniors and Seniors in the subjects of Graphic Statistics, Structural Design and Reinforced Concrete. Freshmen and Sophomores have 216 hours at their disposal for preparing work in applied Mechanics and Mathematics; the number of hours of homework is not contained. Nydam is of the thinking that this requires too little work for the subjects rather than too much. He thinks the work in the first and second semester for mathematics does not encompass enough. He means they should still include some differential calculations because the statistically indefinite forces of continuous rafters [joists, girders, beams] depend on this basis. He thinks that the work in these subjects at the Armour Institute could be rearranged in such a way that more time is devoted to the most substantial work without extending the length of time. He thinks that there, indeed possibly a duplication of the topics in the courses Applied Mechanics and Graphic Studies and also in the work in the strength of material and structural design occurred. He also thinks that there, problems in these courses were given that do not possess the slightest worth for architecture. Such a condition is normally caused by the fact that the professors are specialists in other areas but not in that of architectural engineering, and also through the use of shoddier textbooks. He thinks the students should retain the knowledge that they themselves acquired in these subjects, [and] should refer the topic directly to the work that they execute in their architecture. In order to make this possible it would be appropriate to introduce a preparatory course that includes one part of the work which is now given in the courses Mathematics for Architects, Applied Mechanics and Graphic Statistics. There are enough topics in this preparatory course that enable the students to begin with structural design for simple buildings, on which they then work in the drawing room of the Architecture Department. Such a course should be given by a practicing (structural) engineer. Should the work in structural topics, which the architecture students of the Institute are given, experience a change, so should this happen from above to below [at all levels]. This means that the teacher who gives the courses in steel and reinforced concrete designs the introductory 
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